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coming up on r t the man who revealed the end of the ses service expanding surveillance program is on the move from china to russia it's anyone's guess now where edward snowden is and where he's headed we'll take a look at the whistleblowers glow global traffic ahead. and a growing number of people are supporting edward snowden he is now facing espionage charges back in the u.s. but why are countries refusing to comply with u.s. demands for his extradition the story ahead and it's not only the u.s. justice system that is that hot pursuit of snowden the media is following this man of mystery on his international track but how well are journalists doing covering the story and are they taking a side we'll take a look coming up. it's
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monday june twenty fourth in washington d.c. i'm eggen lopez and you are watching r t while on the run at minute you n.s.a. leaker edward snowden is fighting for freedom flying from country to country in an attempt to avoid extradition to the u.s. on saturday night word came that the thirty year old had boarded a plane headed toward moscow with plans to quickly leave for a third destination his current whereabouts are unknown as is his final destination now the u.s. has requested for at the extradition of snowden from china russia and hong kong but why are these nations and others choosing to go along with america's demands for a wider leka look at the international implications political commentator sam sachs explains. last week the department of justice was working closely with officials in hong kong their plan to have edward snowden arrested and brought back to the united states to face espionage charges today we know that plan didn't work out and we've
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now seen other governments around the world appear unwilling to do the bidding of the united states into a rest snowden and we have an idea as to why now let's begin in hong kong which allowed snowden to leave over the weekend and a press release on sunday the government of holland kong said requests from the u.s. to arrest note in quote did not fully comply with legal requirements under hong kong law but hong kong also included this curious statement in that same press release suggesting there is another reason why they let snowden go it said the hong kong government has formally written to the u.s. government requesting clarification on early reports that the hacking of computer systems in hong kong by u.s. government agencies the hong kong government will continue to follow up on the matter so as to protect the legal rights of the people of hong kong as in if you wanted us to comply with the arrest warrant well maybe you should have been secretly hacking us the new york times reports that china which was also subject to
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u.s. hacking made the ultimate call to let snowden leave on kong the dust up over the u.s. granting asylum to chinese dissident chen guangcheng last year well that could have been a motive a motivating factor in that decision to now on to russia which says it couldn't arrest snowden since he never officially entered russian territory and remained in the airport as a traveller but you might remember snowden revealed last week that the n.s.a. spied on former russian president dmitri medvedev during the g. twenty summit in two thousand and nine so there's that and then there's cuba but here which has been mentioned as a possible layover destination for snowden on his trip to asylum maybe an economic embargo of. more than fifty years in repeated attempts to assassinate their head of state might influence cuba's decision to look the other way if snowden winds up there and finally there's ecuador. that is the reported destination for snowden
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in a country that has already granted political asylum to wiki leaks founder julian assange watch now listen to what ecuador's foreign minister ricardo patino said today about how the u.s. might react to his country granting snowden asylum when. it's necessary to note that the united states as a sovereign government has received various extradition requests on the half of the ecuadorian government for individuals particularly bankers in ecuador that have been charged in our country and according to their laws have made decisions in many cases not extraditing those who have committed crimes against millions of ecuadorians but senior was referring to the as a us brothers who are convicted of an bezel mint and who the ecuadorian government has blamed for crashing their economy in the one nine hundred ninety s. costing ecuador more than eight billion dollars there is a us brothers are living a cushy lifestyle in coral gables florida as the united states ignores ecuador's calls for extradition so what's happening here is the united states wants other
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nations to grant extradition that the united states itself has been unwilling to grant in the past and the u.s. wants other nations that it's spied on and nations it's attempted to destabilize in the past to now do it a favor when it comes to arresting snowden. many officials and pundits in the united states have said these governments won't arrest snowden just because they hate the united states or because they hate freedom but the reality is much more complicated and much more inconvenient for the united states and it has to do with blowback and a rapidly decreasing american hegemony all around the world and washington same sex are two. so let's take a moment now to recap how edward snowden got to this point late last week we found out that federal prosecutors in virginia had filed charges against the former n.s.a. contractor those charges included government property giving national defense information
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to someone without a security clearance and revealing classified information about communications intelligence the latter two of those charges are considered acts of espionage which could result in a life sentence or even execution but that's if the u.s. can get its hands on him so what's next for edward snowden i was trying to earlier by john holzman he's the president of john c. holzman enterprises and former cia analyst ray mcgovern to talk about the faith that this weaker could face i started off by asking ray if snowden's decision to go on the run was a wise decision or not. well from his point of view i would say it is excellent decision he has lots of examples to look at look at what happened to bradley manning eighty eight full months of torture at the hands of the u.s. marines i mean that's that's something that i wouldn't look forward to the prospect that some people have accused that he could have gone through channels well just look at the channels they were all over the sunday t.v. shows and those channels are pretty pretty arrogant and pretty much oppressive so
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any talks about having a personal hand in this architecture of oppression i mean it shows the man has a conscience it shows that when he swore an oath to defend and protect the constitution united states against all enemies foreign and domestic well you know he means to abide by that oath but at the same time doesn't solidify the government are going to argument the government narrative that he broke the law well you know there's a gradation of lawbreaking ok now you have a security promised we all did a little security progress we sign it we can want it that's how you get access to classified information but there are what ethicists call supervening values you know one of those is the constitution united states and it's and expressly the fourth amendment that supervening value supersedes and it renders inoperative in my view a base a promise to keep secrets you promise to keep secrets not of crimes but of
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a legitimate national security information now and john talk about the idea of it shopping around for countries to grant asylum i mean is that what edward snowden is doing here and is it legal under international law. well again i don't think really international laws operative here i mean let's go back to the facts of the head of the intelligence community want to ask bluntly the just the other week is the united states spying on its own citizens said no mr snowden snapped and said well actually they are. it seems to me that this is what's motivating him and i think why this is really dividing the country if you look at polling so far is that he's quoting the founders back to these people he's doing this for reasons that don't seem to have anything to do with money or aggrandizement or fame or frankly even much of an agenda and so while he shops for countries and seems to be heading perhaps to ecuador the reality is that i don't think this is going to go away this story has legs precisely because we seem to
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have bumped into an honest man now snowden had a ticket for a flight heading to cuba on aero fiat flight one hundred fifty he was scheduled to sit in seat seventeen a but it was in fact empty i think we actually might have an image of that empty seat now that c. was empty however our t. correspondent you are pissed off was on that flight here's how he describes the scene on board. so far of mr snowden has not been seen i personally haven't seen him point but definitely something out of the ordinary is happening just judging by the security use of well of course the amount of media is really astonishing clearly i think it's it doesn't feel for the journalists who are also on this flight now for a talk about some of the international implications of a person jumping from country to country like that well the more interesting
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realities here are the fact that the united states of america is acting like well on the one hand like a great big bully. warning all these countries don't give any incentive or you don't let him come to your country and then he and acting like a sort of pouting like a two year old you know i'm so embarrassed this is terrible and what reveals to me is what do we call the metaphor here and metaphor is that with all the billions of dollars that general alexander and all those people have you know to snoop and to make sure they know where a fellow like snowden is who well they're just as clever people just as clever people in the embassy in ecuador. and elsewhere around cooperated with wiki leaks so for those people are out wishing. the vast complex here the architecture of oppression and i think most americans when they realize what's going on since we're usually for the underdog i think will be very satisfied if if edward snowden
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comes out of that. bathroom on that plane and shows are sold to other persons as unfree now john in his on camera interview with the guardian's glenn greenwald our snowden said that he is not running away from the u.s. justice system but that he believes he can do more good from outside of jail than he can do from within it do you think that that justification stands two weeks after he made that statement. yeah i do because i mean at the moment while there's the fear about this we have no idea how many more implications and leaks he has to go about what's going on here he's selectively been leaking things as he got as he goes i think there's a lot more to come the n.s.a. basically data mined on the conversations both of foreigners as they admitted but also of american citizens and i imagine there's more to come i think the nightmare for the security complex in america is if ten percent of the people that they hire
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as contractors have libertarian tendencies and then ten percent of those people actively do something about it i don't think edward snowden is an isolated case i think this is the reality when the government takes a cruise too much power without thinking through the realities of what goes on i think all you need are ten to fifteen percent of the people who are disturbed to do something and i think they're going to be a lot more edward snowden's in the future until as president obama said rather lamely we have a real discussion in the country about the balance between security and liberty and that's what needs to happen that's why this story has legs and that's the fundamental question frankly of all governments right now and that are it's now and is not the only person to take flight from the u.s. justice system legally founder julian assange has been holed up in the ecuadorian embassy in london for over a year today he spoke with r.t. about the case of edward snowden take a look at. the current status of all of. the
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. contracts. legal. to talk cuba or the. whereabouts. of every. morning the u.s. secretary of state schools. which. also traces. is not a spy a very. old. great earlier you had mentioned that edward snowden had no other outlets to possibly to go through in order to leak this information to get this kind of truth out now i know lawmakers as several lawmakers are arguing otherwise do you care to explain that the same a little further yes it's very simple there is no there is no whistleblower protection for people in the national security apparatus including contractors of
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our government pure and simple we have tried to get that through congress is x. that out every time we try to get that through with good training for sixteen years now there's no whistleblower protection and finally john what should we make of the edward snowden's flight to these countries is there any one lesson that we can learn from all of this. well i think there is i mean i think you know mr snowden seems to know his founders and benjamin franklin pretty much got it right if you're willing to give up your liberty to have security you should have neither and i think this really does go back to first principles about the united states and why it was founded i'm an unabashed american patriot and frankly this is been the argument at the base of the country since its beginning and rather than side with a bunch of people who basically lied to us in effect the line stance who's watching the waters these are people who told us several weeks ago they weren't spying on
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americans who turned out were spying on americans and now their defense is trust me frankly that doesn't that doesn't pass muster and it should in a country like the united states or any other country indeed so i think snowden's argument is really the argument of the age edward snowden is the eighth person being charged under the espionage act under the obama administration that would john that was john holzman president of the john c. holzman enterprises and former cia analyst ray mcgovern thank you so much for joining us as well. now as i had mentioned earlier very little is known about snowden's current whereabouts and his final destination there has been a lot of speculation about iceland ecuador venezuela and cuba governments the public and the media have all been pursuing this man trying to retrace the steps and then predict his next move for a look at the logistics r.t. correspondent liz wahl takes us around the world. labrat snowden is on the move and while his whereabouts or may not know let's take
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a look at where snowden has been and where he could be go away let's start off here you're honolulu where snowden lived with his girlfriend they reportedly moved out of this home on may first real estate agents say they left nothing behind on may twentieth kerry and four laptop computers snowden arrived in hong kong after exposing secret u.s. surveillance programs to the guardian and the washington post and while he was hiding away up in a hotel room here in hong kong the first report on snowden's leak was released june fifth just four days later he gave the guardian permission to reveal his identity while in hiding here the u.s. revoked his passport and charge snowden with espionage despite the u.s. efforts to get hong kong to hand snowden over yesterday june twenty third hong kong allowed him to get on a plane to moscow this afternoon the white house press secretary jay carney said he believes snowden is still there he said washington is in contact with moscow and expects russia to examine the options available to them and here is the aeroflot
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plane at the airport in moscow today that was supposed to carry snowden on a flight to havana cuba he reportedly had seen seventeen c. booked for reporters on board said he was not on that flight so where in the world could he be off to next well as we reported on friday and icelandic businessmen with ties to the whistle blowing web site wiki leaks said he had a private plane ready to bring snowden from hong kong to iceland but that didn't happen according to wiki leaks founder co-founder julian assange had requested asylum in iceland so that remains a possibility there also are reports that snowden may fly through venezuela or cuba why would he go here well as we know the u.s. relationship with these countries is shaky to say the least it's unlikely that either of these countries will comply with u.s. extradition requests and. possible that snowden is ultimately trying to get to aqua
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door so dan has requested asylum there the foreign minister of ecuador says he's received snowden's request for asylum and is analyzing it again it is unclear where snowden will end up as this story is developing by the moment here in washington liz wall r.t. . still ahead here on our team the mainstream media is doing extensive coverage of the edward snowden saga how are they doing we'll discuss that and more after the break.
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i would rather as questions for people in positions of power instead of speak on their behalf and that's why you can bring my show larry king now right here on our t.v. question more. the worst year for those. white house of a. radio guy. minestrone. watching closely opposed to reduce never seen anything like this i'm told.
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welcome back now according to the new un convention relating to the status of refugees and its nine hundred sixty seven amendment if edward snowden wants to be considered a refugee he must prove it two things first that he has a well founded fear of persecution based on his political opinions and second that his crime was either non serious or politically charged now on the first point snowden may be able to prove that he is being persecuted by the verbal assaults that he has received from one u.s. lawmaker after another or so he could potentially be granted asylum meanwhile glenn greenwald their guardian reporter who broke the n.s.a. surveillance story is also feeling the heat take a look at how this case has unfolded in the media to the extent that you have aided and abetted snowden even in his current movements why shouldn't you mr green will
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be charged with a crime i think it's pretty extraordinary that anybody who would call themselves a journalist would publicly muse about whether or not other journalists should be charged with felonies for more on the media's coverage of edward snowden and glenn greenwald i was trying earlier by erik wemple he is the media critic at the washington post and he started by giving me his overall impressions of the media's coverage. well i think the media has taken some criticism from snowden and other people for trivializing snowden's past and sort of getting distracted but i think actually it's been a pretty good vessel for a serious debate about privacy if you know for about three weeks now all the called the op ed pages and the television airwaves are filled up with a lot of back and forth is this a huge privacy problem is it not it's been going back and forth is you traitor is a hero those are awfully simplistic terms but there's been a lot of substantive discussion going on i hear remember
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a time at least in the past several years where privacy has gotten more thorough screening in the public now talk about the idea of different outlets covering this obviously there are certain republican allies are certain democratic allies is there any ones that you could say are really hitting the mark or are not hitting the mark well it's interesting that. since this issue since privacy is sort of a bipartisan issue there's a there's a there's there's a strain on the left on the left side of the political spectrum that doesn't like what's happening there's also a strain there's a libertarian strain on the right that doesn't like it so it's been a sort of a. kind of a fantastic mishmash on that front you have you know sort of like media organizations that are traditionally conservative the what the obama administration has been doing in the federal government's been doing and you have on the left that are doing the same so it's been just just just sort of mind boggling and head spinning to watch as these various organizations they are oftentimes saying the same thing have you seen any cases of media bias or our has it been pretty even
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keel well i think the main issue of bias here is the one that sort of came up with a sort of surfaced yesterday and i quote the david gregory going greenwald clip yesterday in which you sort of saw as a lot of people interpreted kind of a bias against going greenwald he's been an activist he has been very outspoken very opinionated in his feelings about the government and privacy. national security so they kind of think that going green was an activist and therefore that he sort of hedges his views toward snowden and the n.s.a. and everything and he's not perhaps the most objective person to be present in the news so i guess that if there's a bias question is what certainly one of the foremost and that was the next topic i was going to talk to you about is glenn greenwald and this kind of back and forth that he had with the meet the press meet the press is david gregory right now some lawmakers have said that he should be prosecuted for aiding and abetting the enemy
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because they say he's not a journalist because as expressed opinions so my first question is what qualifies as a journalist well i think that you know we're always sort of refurbishing renovating our opinion of just just what a journalist i think certainly in this case is going greenwald more than qualified he's presented a public documents. to the american public in context would disagree with him but his facts have been basically more or less on target he has presented documents which have not been debunked which have not been declared fall so i mean i think that he has done the journalist job of bringing forth information that we wouldn't have had otherwise and kicked off in the norm as as i say an enormous debate about privacy and the government's role in protecting our national security and whatever trade off the president obama so it's there has been central so i don't think that there's any way to impugn sort of greenwald work as
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a journalist in this case sure he has an opinion years a point of view but that's not incompatible with presenting so you don't think that he should or well be prosecuted by by the u.s. justice department from what i know i certainly don't think that's going greenwald should be prosecuted no from what i know i mean he has taken leaks from a person who has very important documents are national secure. and his publish them the washington post has done the same thing fewer people if any have question whether the washington post has been an activist or whether it should be you know. should be prosecuted on this of course was quite as many as going to be one doesn't have quite the relationship with edward snowden that going greenwald does but still i mean you know the new york times i believe it was their executive editor jill abramson was was quoted i believe by her public elders that's been somewhat envious of the story that other outlets have had every news organization in the country
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wanted this story so i mean the notion that we should be prosecuting journalists over this is just insane i mean that's that's that's tyranny we just have three seconds left but should journalists be afraid of the obama administration. well i think there's documentary evidence to that effect you should certainly be wary of the a bonus tradition i mean look what they did with the. teams in both cases they secretly . we don't like that no one should i mean no one should have the emails or the phone calls looked at by the government. in any way. without notice erik wemple of media critic at the washington post thank you so much for joining us it's a pleasure. while the edward snowden saga is playing out overseas right here at home new information is coming out about the u.s. justice department using a secret search warrant in order to obtain the entire contents of g. mail accounts owned by two former wiki leaks volunteers the warrant was issued back
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in two thousand and eleven for over herbert's nourrisson and some are in mccarthy they are icelandic activists stance nourrisson helped manage wiki leaks secure chat room two thousand and ten here's what the warrant collected the contents of all you mails associated with the account including a stored or preserved copies of emails sent to and from the accounts draft e-mails deleted e-mails e-mails preserved pursuant to a request made under eighteen us c. two seven zero three the source and destination addresses associated with each e-mail the date and time at which each e-mail was sent and the size and length of each e-mail and that's not all it's also collected information on the address books buddy list calendar data pictures and more now it should also be noted that snorer sent along with mccarthy to resign from wiki leaks in two thousand and ten along with numerous others after joining us songe decided to publish some three hundred
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ninety two thousand classified documents from the iraq war without properly redacting them now this is not the first time the u.s. has gone after people who are presently or were previously associated with wiki leaks. everitt is the first time the public is seeing documentation about the u.s. government targeting foreign citizens in its investigation into the organization us citizen jake of apple bomb has had his e-mail subpoenaed by the justice department previously he gave an address on behalf of a songe at a hacker conference in new york city back in two thousand and ten and of course the most notorious person being pursued for collaborating with wiki leaks is bradley manning whose trial continues in fort meade maryland this week. now imagine you are driving down a city street on your way to work you're running a few minutes late so you make the decision to take make up that extra time by pushing that gas pedals us a little harder when it happens with red and blue lights illuminating your rear
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view mirror you pull over knowing that you've been busted but have you ever wondered where all the money from those traffic violations go well according to w s b t.v. channel two action news police officials in atlanta plan to spend that revenue on future pay raises and that could potentially create a conflict of interest for the future since the officers who are getting that are also the ones who are resting and issuing those tickets to make the money but police union president can allen says that that won't be a problem because quote we need to only enforce traffic violations as we are now but increase our intended in court in order to prevent cases being dismissed now in other words that means officers writing those tickets just need to follow through with the courts and show up in order to receive an added payday in the future and that's going to do it for now for one of the stories we covered go to youtube dot
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